tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8017761137359152736.post3837322305049888676..comments2023-11-03T07:14:49.810-04:00Comments on Reconstructing History: Early Tudor Project Part 2 -- the mental gymnasticsKass McGannhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07778931578775703585noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8017761137359152736.post-68475348312662091012007-11-23T08:40:00.000-05:002007-11-23T08:40:00.000-05:00Hi Marie,The only thing I can come up with about t...Hi Marie,<BR/><BR/>The only thing I can come up with about the wide-open middle gown is that it's like the late Burgundian gowns like in Memling's "Allergory of True Love".<BR/><BR/>I can't explain *why* someone would wear a gown laced open so wide, but they did do it in the 1490s, and these portraits aren't so much later than that.Kass McGannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07778931578775703585noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8017761137359152736.post-45309932921900766762007-11-22T17:39:00.000-05:002007-11-22T17:39:00.000-05:00What a puzzle!In the picture of Madame de Canaples...What a puzzle!<BR/>In the picture of Madame de Canaples no matter how thin or unpregnant she was, the black layer would never really get out of her armpits ie. there just isn't enough to go any further around her no matter what the circumstances. In fact, there's so little material there, why did they bother making a "step" in the garment rather than continuing straight down from the strap. I don't know anything about this stuff, so I may have missed some obvious points, but that's what is confusing me the most here.<BR/>The picture of Agniete van den Rijne on the page you link to is interesting because it is very very clear that there is some kind of additional garment there, whereas to my untrained eye the black and gold in the other photos could just be some kind of decoration. Does the shape of the black garment on this picture give your experienced eye any clues about how it's made or what it's doing? All I can see is that due to the curve of the "horizontal" bit across the front it does indeed look like it is being held tightly closed by a tie further down, hidden under the top layer, supporting your suggestion that it is a garment similar to those visible in the other painting.<BR/>I quite enjoy your analysis of these outfits - I thought the stuff about the Netherlandish woman's outfit was particular amazing as it all seemed to work out so perfectly when your research came together with the making of the garment.standgalehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11705434652330242519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8017761137359152736.post-62676237729525355252007-11-22T16:15:00.000-05:002007-11-22T16:15:00.000-05:00Could the gap be explained by the bust increase of...Could the gap be explained by the bust increase of early pregnancy?Sara van den Hovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04654191472413660385noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8017761137359152736.post-13179235922793001672007-11-22T15:40:00.000-05:002007-11-22T15:40:00.000-05:00I've been working on this type of gown too, almost...I've been working on this type of gown too, almost two years ago:<BR/>http://web.comhem.se/~u41200125/Moresdaughter.html<BR/><BR/>/EvaEvahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15502702209676555106noreply@blogger.com